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    Rants and Raves LIVE! 
    is the interactive annex to the website 

    Meet one of our resident LEC boosters,  "Captain Jimbo"
    who is starting to grow on us.

    The Emperor's New Clothes: A Paradigm for our times?

    Please take salt from the dispensary to your left
    Everything in life should be taken with a grain of salt. 
    There will be refreshments at the end if you should grow thirsty. 

    The Forum has both loyal followers and passionate critics.
    As Werner Erhard's est did before it. 
    Become an informed consumer about this business organization. 

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    FedEx PackageFedEX Package from Art Schreiber General Counsel and Chairman of the Board of Directors 66 pristine and crisp pages from Art, including a 9 page letter

    Books, Newspaper Articles

    When Landmark Education changed their website, any links that I had included from them broke. So bear with me while I fiddle with them...and the rest of the site while I'm here...


    Be Happy!Click Here------->for Positive articles about the Forum housed on LEC property

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    Book about the Forum 1997 (it's in German) Das Forum

    Soul Training THE BOSTON GLOBE • WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3, 1999

    Abcnews dot com article Aug 13 2004 'Transformation’ in a Weekend? Based on EST, the Landmark Forum Says It Can Help People Become Happier and More Productive By Oliver Libaw

    Sunday 14 December 2003 The Observer So what is the Landmark Forum? And what does it do? Amelia Hill decided to find out. What she discovered about the Forum–and about herself– will surprise you

    The Con-Forumist Swing Generation, November 1998 By Jana Martin with links added to cult-test categories.

    My PRIME TIME dot com EXPERT ADVICE  : Landmark Education

    Exclusive Interview:  Over the Weekend, a New You
    Change your life by creating a new future, 
    says Landmark Education  President Harry Rosenberg.

    Exclusive Interview:   Does Your Company Have (Gossip) Cancer?
     Steve Zaffron, chief executive officer of Landmark Education BusinessDevelopment, says that gossip destroys opportunities for ourselves.

    splashNew York Magazine Article: Brave New You

    cover story: Pay Money, Be Happy 
    BY VANESSA GRIGORIADIS
    For thousands of new yorkers, happiness is a $375, three-day self-help
    Seminar. Welcome to EST: The Next Generation 
     

    Be Happy!City Wise: Highland Park shows what can happen with lots of positive thinking, a goal in mind 

    no longer  online
    http://detnews.com/1998/detroit/9804/08/04080039.htm

    By Maureen MacDonald

    In 1989, Porter, then Highland Park City Council president, and his wife, Patricia Reid-Porter, took a three-day, empowerment course called The Forum, offered by Landmark Education Corp. of San Francisco. Immediately, they started to see action steps to unite their community. Over the next nine years Porter brought Landmark seminars to Highland Park and helped enroll more than 1,500 people in the course

    A reading List.

    MetroActive Article: the est of friends

    the est of the story...

    Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get

    By Traci Hukill

    3/16 Time Article:The Best Of Est? 
    Werner Erhard's legacy lives on in a kinder, gentler and lucrative version of his self-help seminars By CHARLOTTE FALTERMAYER 

    Forum grads say seminars helped them The Columbus Dispatch / Friday, February 14, 1992 By Sylvia Brooks 

    The psychologist who is on call to help participants in The Forum if they become emotional during the seminars says he has seen no harm in the sessions.

    When it comes to Landmark Education Corporation, There's no meeting of the Minds. Westword / April 18-24, 1996 By Steve Jackson

    Many More Newspaper Articles

    A few magazines printed retractions after printing articles that included Landmark Education in their discussions about business and personal training programs that cause cult experts concerns.

    FedEx PackageRetractions of articles 

    Web Sites

    English Language

    Be Happy!The Scoop On Landmark Forum

    Welcome! We did the Landmark Forum and loved it! This site was created to make  it easy for people to find out about Landmark Education and the Landmark Forum from people who've taken their courses, experts from psychology, psychiatry, law enforcement, and religion, as well as magazine and newspaper reporters... plus a  few people who think it stinks. Read on...

    Landmark Forum: 
    Just a bowl of cherries  but watch out for the pits!

    Mirror Site

    The purpose of this web site is to connect the reader with
    information and opinions which are not found on Landmark's web site nor at it's "Introduction to the Forum" events. 

      Be Happy!Forum Graduates on the Web by David Smith 

      Page of people and much more. He also runs a private mailing list for Forum Grads 

      The Forum Graduates Association

      "The Forum Graduate Association, Inc. and its publication, The Forum Graduate, are not part of or otherwise affiliated with Landmark Education Corporation which delivers the Forum." 

      Paradigms For Social Transformation 
      Like peas in a pod, read the diagram right to left.

      Forum Graduate: A newsletter

      From the Netherlands: De Mental Zone the website of Anco Smit, host of a European mirror site for Rants and Raves

      Ongoing LEC conversation by  Robert T. Guevara

      A space where Graduates can informally share and inquire and ultimately build committed relationships. All at their convenience - 24 hours a day.

      Bob keeps taking his site down...ask him why.

    More English Language Sites

    Other Languages

    Alta Vista's Translation service

    It'll translate either Urls or text pasted into a text box: Cool!

    German

      splashLandmark education, in Germany 

      Large Well done German site. Lots of stuff: Some in English. 

      Senatsverwaltung für Schule, Jugend und Sport, Berlin

      Appears to be a government sponsored report...

      Evangelische Infromationsstelle 
       

    Swedish

      Fakta:Landmark Education

      Forum är en manipulativ sekt

    French

      Un "développement personnel" suspect (LandmarkEducation) par Philippe Allard

      Quand Joëlle (nom d'emprunt) rencontre une de ses amies, celle-ci ne manque pas d'évoquer"Forum", une formation qui peut "débloquer les situations dans la vie profession nelle et privée". Sans le savoir, Joëlle vient d'être contactée par "LandmarkEducation", un groupe épinglé comme néfaste.

    Netherlands

      From the Netherlands....handel in geluk

      and another url from the same 'zine , reactions from LEC legal staff
       

    Israel

    Hebrew Discussion Group

    Mailing Lists

      Be Happy!Mailing list for Forum Graduates run by David Smith bladex@bga.com

      Lance Fletcher has a private philosophical listserver found at: Free Lance Academy

      Rants and Raves LIVE! Web based Discussion Group on Delphi.com

    Rants and Raves (First Person Narratives)

      splashMy Landmark Story and Advanced Courses: The Saga continues..Enthralling personal accounts by a Forum Graduate, Ph.D, M.D. 

      Mind Games in the Key of C by Patrick Darcy A prophet speaks up

      In the style of Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels or a Dr. Bronner soap label An analysis of the sociology of recruitment into a fictional LGAT

      Pressed for time? Start with Chapter 6. 

      Shattered Hearts, a Webzine from trancenet.org 

      Has personal accounts about life in and around the Forum and many more personal accounts

      Be Happy!I am a 28 year old male. I grew up on a farm A story of a person who told his parents "that I love them and they told me that they love me."

    Essays

      Landmark Education, Creating Possibilities or pursuing profit?A critique by Markus Land

      The Skeptic's Dictionary looks at The Forum 

      This used to be a rather scathing essay about est/Erhard/The Forum et al written in Robert T. Carroll's usual fine style. He's revised it several times now as he received input from Forum alumni. 

      Why Volunteer? first posted on a.f.l. by NikkiCM 

      Be Happy!Jennifer's Web Site full of essays by Jennifer 

      Now down, but maybe it will ressurect in archiveal form. Stay tuned.

      Is the Forum a Cult? Why should we care? From a student college newspaper.

      Robert Black looks at the Forum

      Landmark Education: Experience, Investigation, Research & Analysis
       

      'SPACES IN THE ELBOWS' by SUE ARNOLD

      Forgive me if I seem a trifle confused this week. I have been trying to locate a space in the bones of my left foot -- without success. This is the homework I have been set and heaven knows, it's years since I did homework. I should explain that I am in the middle of my est training. Forgive me if I seem a trifle confused this week. I have been trying to locate a space in the bones of my left foot -- without success. This is the homework I have been set and heaven knows, it's years since I did homework. I should explain that I am in the middle of my est training. 

      splashThink about it, an essay with a sharp satirical edge.

      "It usually starts with someone you know, you'll ask what it is all about. You'll be told of a seminar, a meeting, the word "Forum" may spring. In about three days your life is going to change. "
       

      The Profile on Landmark Forum by the Watchman Fellowship  was taken down after a lawsuit was  threatened  so, it only  refers to the Forum  obliquely

    splashLandmark Education  Creating Possibilities or pursuing profit 
      A critique by Markus Land

      New Age Profile
      In the work place

    Humor An ever growing list of LGATS

      How many Forum leaders does it take to change a lightbulb?

      Brother, are you Saved? An inquiry into the salvation meme complex 

      The Philadelphia Forum, a newspaper, gets a lot of calls for the Forum.

      Rob Laymon wrote a very witty essay about answering the phone.... Finally, instead of telling people it's a wrong number, he ...

    Usenet Newsgroups

      Deja News Archives Best resource on the internet for reading newsgroups. Acquired by Google.com 

      Type in alt.fan.landmark into the newsgroup text box and run the query to bring up just alt.fan.landmark articles. 

      Be Happy!alt.fan.landmark - Lively and usually intelligent discussion of Forum fun

      Welcome Time Article Readers postings from alt.fan.landmark 

      alt.self-improve - Alternatives to the Forum, and other self-help topics show up here. 

      splashalt.religion.scientology In a class by itself...The best way to read it since the spam attack is via the Deja News Archives Search on Werner Erhard, or Landmark Forum. 
      They both come up every once in a while. 

    Is Landmark Forum a cult? Harmful? Does it use group hypnosis, mind control, or brainwashing techniques? 

    Some people say no.

      Not so, says the LEC brochures that graduates hand out when asked this question. Two Forum graduates with Ph. D.'s write testimonials that deny allegations that the Forum has cultish aspects to it. From an Official LEC press release packet provided by a Forum Graduate 

      Lowell D. Streiker, Ph.D. discusses the Forum. He says "The Forum is not a cult in any sense of the word, religious or otherwise." He was a consultant hired by WE&A to evaluate est and make recommendations. He later actually did the Forum. 

      Be Happy!And here is his Home Page, 

      Happy and upbeat Rev. Lowell is fond of Van Gogh.

      And here he is also being quoted on the Co$ owned Nouveau CultAwarenessNetwork

      "Perhaps several years ahead of his time, Dr. Streiker pointed out an essential flaw in the "cult mind control" theory: it denies the individual any responsibility for his own life and his own ability to think and to change his own destiny. The "cult" was the scapegoat for all of the problems and difficulties which could possibly have been easily resolved by honest communication and taking responsibility for self and family. "

      Raymond Fowler, Ph. D, Psychologist, gives his personal views and observations. Executive Vice President and Chief Executive Officer of the American Psychological Association, and Professor Emeritus, at the University of Alabama. He says, " I would like to observe that The Forum experience in no way resembles any of the so-called cults I've read about." He and his wife both went through the Forum. 

    Others say well...yes and no, maybe... watch out for pitfalls.

      Cults and Psychological Abuse My Experience in The Forum by James B. Endres 

      Note: This is an extremely critical and strongly worded negative discussion about the Forum. He even uses the "c" word. 

      Be Happy!Before and After the Forum by Rick Hartman
      "Look at what is actually happening instead of what is being said to happen."
      "Before" ... and ... "After" ...and..."Pro" ...and..."Con"

      splashMy Safeguards when dealing with LandMark written by an esteemed Ivy League Professor

      A little advice from an LEC graduate, John Cichowski 

      The Top 10 Concepts That Transformational Types May Need to Un-Learn In Order to Become Light, Natural and Spiritually-oriented.

      And much more

    Learn about cults and persuasion techniques and decide for yourself.

    Cults

      Large collection of books about Cults, Mindcontrol and other similiar topics 
      The Cult Controversy: Spiritual Quest or Mind Control 
      A Primer on High Control Groups
      Washington Post's Online Documentary of a half century of controversy
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/archives/front.htm

      Cults, Anti-Cultists, and the Cult of Intelligence From NameBase NewsLine, No. 5, April-June 1994:

      Daniel Brandt: http://www.namebase.org/

      "The problem with the word "cult" is not that cults don't exist, nor that they should be left alone. The problem with the term, and with others like "brainwashing" and "mind control," is that they are too easy to use. Larger issues get lost when convenient labels are attached to complex phenomena, and sometimes the larger issue is more important than what the label attempts to describe."

      CAN and LEC: a complicated story

      Lots more to read about cults

    Persuasion Techniques

    Unusual Information about your mind, not directly related to Landmark Forum:
    • Obediance to authority: The Milgram experiment (also here and here). An important document about how and why people "were just following orders". Visit also a website honoring Stanley Milgram.
    • The Zimbardo prison experiment (also here). University students played prisoners and wardens. The experiment had to be aborted prematurely.
    • The Wave. This movie portrays a school experiment trying to answer the story "Why could so many germans look away while millions were murdered?"
    • Why bogus therapies often seem to work, presented by QuackWatch
    • Even modern non-violent interrogation techniques can produce false confessions, by Saul M. Kassin
    • Belief in one's abilities has more to do with success in school than natural ability or potential, by Marianne Miserandino. This could explain why every self-help method "works" when you believe in it.

      Book: Virus of the Mind by Richard Brodie Start reading it online, today!

      Richard is a Forum Graduate with a memetic view of the Forum. In his own words, "The Forum is a virus of the mind - a cultural "organism" that infects people and programs them to spread itself. That's what my book is about. " 

      Huge bibliography of academic references from
      Coercive persuasion and attitude change by J. Ofshe

      splashSteve's Primer of Practical Persuasion and Influence

      by Steven Booth-Butterfield Associate Professor Ed.D. (West Virginia University) Specialization: Mass communication, persuasion 

      splashThe Battle for Your Mind, by Dick Sutphen: 

      Persuasion and Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public Today An introduction to the craft of persuasive speaking and the mechanics of group hypnosis. 

      Polls as Persuasion Tools

      One of the most respected of all pollsters is Committee of 300 member Daniel Yankelovich, of the company, Yankelovich, Skelley and White. Yankelovich is proud to tell his students that polling is a tool to change public opinion, although this is not original, Yankelovich having drawn his inspiration from David Naisbett's book "TREND REPORT" which was commissioned by the Club of Rome.

      And more persuasion links

      Persuasion Matrices

    The Transition Times: est to The Forum

      splashCommon Boundary article details Erhard's new work with Roman Catholic priests and nuns in Ireland. In the March/April 1994 issue an interesting article appears "Controversial '70s self-help guru Werner Erhard's life today." " Between Spirituality and Psychotherapy" by Dan Wakefield. 
      The Episcopalian connection continues. 

      splashBook: Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard From est to Exile,by Steven Pressman, published by St. Martin's Press. 

      Christian Research Institute News Watch: Werner Erhard Flees

      Werner Erhard Flees in the Wake of Tax Liens and Child Abuse Allegations Quotes San Jose Mercury New, Newsweek, 60 minutes, Philadelphia Inquirer, JPUSA, Fortune Magazine, Also Contained in the Article Boston Movement and the Unification Church, 

      Be Happy!Update on Erhard Tax Story..contributed by Paul Rubin.

      Business Wire. from Sept 11, 1996 "The Internal Revenue Service today settled for $200,000 in a damage suit Werner Erhard brought against the IRS for false statements IRS spokesmen made to the press about his tax information in April, 1991." 

      Legal Search for Werner Erhard and Landmark/est:

      How was Landmark Education founded?

      The Name Change 


    Werner Erhard and est

    Wernererhard dot com

      Links to things on the net about MR. Erhard
    (is that better, Art?)

    Books

      Books about Werner Erhard and est 1976-1993 

    Articles

      Abstracts of Articles in Psychological Journals concerning est and The Forum

      What connection does Werner Erhard and est have to Scientology? 
      Be Happy!An LA Times article from Sunday, December 29, 1991. gets posted every once in a while on a.r.s. explaining the background. 

      Nifty collection of Copyrighted news articles about Erhard from 1992-1975

      Scholar's Large Bibliography about Werner Erhard and est

      And tons more

    Essays and Critiques

      Mellow Out Or You Will Pay: A Magical Mystery Tour Of The Psyche With Werner Erhard And est

      Robert Farr Argus Magazine, December 1980 Sharp edged Article on est from the alt.support.ex-cult Archives 
       

      "Pam Ableidinger, Ph.D., has been a licensed Clinical Psychologist since 1982 and a licensed Marriage, Family and Child Counselor since 1980. She works with individuals, couples, and groups with a special focus on healing from abusive work environments. Pam also currently facilitates a therapy group whose focus is healing the inner child. ....

      She also has worked as an Employee Assistant Program Counselor at Werner Erhard and Associates (1982-85) and as a personal organizational assistant to Werner Erhard from 1985 to 1989. It is Pam's years of personal involvement in this organization that promoted her current focus on recovery from abusive work environments. She currently counsels many who have left WE & A and who are seeking to heal from the experience. "

    Sources

      Heidegger and Existentialism

      Be Happy! In the FGA Newsletter
      Six articles based on Werner Erhard by W. W. Bartley III, Potter, 1978
      • Napoleon Hill, Think & Grow Rich 
      • Maxwell Maltz and Self Image Psychology 
      • The Hypnotic State of Normal Consciousness 
      • Beyond Success
      • A Short Course In Zen 
      • Church or Education Corporation 
      an outstanding contribution from that brave, if small, freezone, Uh, Forum Graduate Association 

      splashHeidegger for Fun and Profit by Anthony Gottlieb Copyright (c) 1990 The New York Times Company; The New York Times January 7, 1990, Sunday, Late Edition - Final 
      A discussion of Existentialism as it applies to Landmark Forum or the other way around.

      More on Heidegger...The book is "Heidegger and Nazism" by Victor Farias (Temple University Press, Philadelphia, 1989) ISBN 0-87722-640-7

      Zen

      Alan Watts books from The Alan Watts Library of the Alan Watts Electronic University

      Scientology

      splashTilman Hausherr's home page Contains well done Scientology links, His Cult Watch Group Ex-cult Support Groups set of links is excellent. And the page is entertaining to boot! 
      And his ProCo$ Links. a must stop by, shows lots of front groups

      and others

      Silva International, The Original Silva Method

      Silva Method links

    Putting it all in Context

    Political, Historical

      Remind me  to  put something here.

    Philosophy

      Ereignis

      Yahoo's Search for Existentialists

    Religion

      Psychology of Religion by Michael E. Nielsen, Ph.D. 

      Give up everything that you've learned a highly entertaining and original site

      Philosophy of Religion Existentialism

    Psychology

      splashSocial Influence: The Science of Persuasion & Compliance by Kelton Rhoads A superior site, thoughtful and well designed

      The Belief Engine

      from the Skeptical Inquirer / May 1995

      Our brains and nervous systems constitute a belief-generating machine, a system that evolved to assure not truth, logic, and reason, but survival. The belief engine has seven major components.

    New Physics

      Chapter 8 of The Turning Point - Fritjof Capra (1982)

      Mountain Man Graphics presents an incredible site. a must visit.

      Small Island of Inner Space

      Gaia Brain

    Sociology

      In light of the tragedy of the Heaven's Gate Suicides, it would be beneficial for each person to take 5 minutes and reflect on their belief system. Does it serve you well, or do you serve it? Run a reality check on yourself. And get outside feedback from persons outside your loop or circle of influence...
      So you think you're Immune? Read on.

      splashPrinciples of Social Psychology in Group Involvement by Gerald (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D.

      " By trying to see "them" as different from "us" we may feel unique, and invulnerable to such social influence, but also shield our own beliefs from the kind of critical analysis needed. Most college- level textbooks in Social Psychology can provide further information about the principles of social influence. However, the important lesson is to take responsibility for periodically reviewing those taken-for-granted beliefs we have picked up from the groups to which we belong. " 

      Alien Guide to Human Nature Translated by Timothy DeVinney 

      "A short guide to human psychology from the point of view of outsiders, translated from an intercepted broadcast between alien trading and exploration modules. "

      an extremely clever and amusing site analysing human nature from the point of view of a enslaving alien race...

    Corporate Culture and trainings

      Be Happy!Landmark Education Corporation: Selling a Paradigm Shift

      by Karen Hopper Wruck and Mikelle Fisher Eastly

      Dated 11/3/97 # 9-898-081 To order copies ($5.00) 1-800-545-7685 (c) 1997 the President & Fellows of Harvard College. 

      From the Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center Web Site an article...

      The Siren Call of Modern Pied Pipers 

      by Lawrence A. Pile

      "In May 1989 eight former employees of the DeKalb Farmers Market in Georgia also accepted an out-of-court settlement of their suit against their former employer charging that they had been fired for refusing to attend a training program they claimed promoted New Age ideas and techniques.

      Paradigm shift anyone?

      The Internet as catalyst for a Paradigm Shift

    The New Age Movement

      The Challenge of the New Age Movement by Peter Moore

      Be Happy!The New Age Web Works

    Esalen et cetera 

      The Esalen-est Connection

      The Beginnings of Esalen

      Sarfatti

        History of PCRG "PCRG was co-founded by Jack Sarfatti and Michael Murphy at the Esalen Institute in Big Sur, California in 1974. Financed by Werner Erhard,..."
        Michael Murphy; Divine Reinvention 
        New York Times Article Pretty Wild
        The Parsifal Effect

        splashIn the Thick of It! Sarfatti's Illuminati

        Well, much to my surprise...It's been updated now containing MUCH MORE than a brief appearance by Werner Erhard.

    Other People, Places and Things

      splashAwareness is just a mouse click away 

        An ever growing list of McTrainings includes a fine section on the Forum

    The Big List of Reading Lists aka the Bodacious Bibliography


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      An extraordinary web site that " compares the mystical traditions of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Taosim."

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      Idea: A journal of social issues

      A five star site. Excellent!

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